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blast off on another episode of

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hero paranormal podcast broadcasting

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from the base at la madre mountain just

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south of

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area 51. my name is ryan

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the original outlaw of the airwaves

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bringing you

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an epic episode tonight this one's

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coming from across the pond and

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uh by that i mean the uk it's coming

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from europe we have an ex

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extremely knowledgeable guest not only

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of roswell

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but of the people who were touched

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by the event and whose courses in life

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were changed

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by the phenomenon it is uh

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really pretty interesting we have a

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fairly unique piece of work

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that we are going to be discussing with

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our guest

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and speaking of fairly unique i want to

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appreciate all of you making it possible

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and without further ado let's get to it

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and give our guest a call

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hello tom how are you doing all right

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good to hear from you and uh you know

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i'm i'm really excited about talking

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about uh

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this fairly unique piece of work which i

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believe

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delves into the human aspect of the ufo

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phenomenon more than most

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and i wanted to ask you tom first of all

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thanks so much for joining

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and what what motivated you to

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first of all are we going to be uh video

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or audio

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it is audio only but video is okay on

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which which book are you talking about

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touched by roswell and it's

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it just it just seems fairly unique in

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that it it really kind of delves into

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the ufo phenomenon from the human

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perspective instead of just you know on

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the ufo phenomenon in roswell in itself

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yes the reason we wrote the book

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was that in our previous book

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there was a chapter that i wrote called

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touched by roswell

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there's a just a chapter in our book

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i i have it here not to give it a plug

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roswell the ultimate cold case i wrote a

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chapter in there called

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touched by roswell and

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it went over very well

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write a entire book about the people

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the you know the people who were there

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that somewhere in their life they cross

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uh either the city of roswell or

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the case itself either they they knew

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somebody or somehow it affected them

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they were touched by roswell so

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don't know if you have a copy of it or

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how many people are quite honestly

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touched by roswell just as your book

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implies and it's changed the course of

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the main people that we uh go in depth

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about and then we have another 60 that

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so that's how we divided the book up

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i'm wondering if it is okay if i just to

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kind of a taste if it's okay if i read

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an excerpt from that portion of the book

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yeah it's okay i'll do it

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um yeah robert bigelow is an interesting

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in in and this is straight from the book

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in 1994 he would privately meet with

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fellow nevada friend and senator harry

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assap the advanced aerospace weapons

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application program so your book really

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into detail about how i mean this

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it's amazing how the characters in the

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hook or crook they their lives are

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really by roswell indeed

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me too it came out last month june

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the book came out we've learned we've

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housing i don't know if he's got all of

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the wreckage but he's got wreckage from

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he's uh sold his company and he's no

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but that's that's what we have learned

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and you know i'm gonna have to put my

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hand up in the air and testify to what

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you're saying to some extent

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i recently not that recently but yeah i

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rumors and mumblings and well it's true

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yeah we've got it and we've got it in

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defense intelligence agency and i have a

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of some of the you know they came out

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of what they've been doing

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about ufos and it was really

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underwhelming as you know

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there was a public uh report which we

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and we have since learned from again

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from my associate i won't tell you who

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he is but he's in the know

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uh the classified portion of the report

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includes such things and this is the

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report that goes to congress uh

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uh researching in energy pulse

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advanced use of exotic elements that

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it appears they're trying to compress

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the speed of light

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you're wondering how they get to earth

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in as far as the the classified report

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now we were never told those things

289
00:13:18,550 --> 00:13:18,160
but uh i have sources or one main source

290
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that

291
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aerospace

292
00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:29,509
i've never been there but i'm told that

293
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they they've built

294
00:13:37,509 --> 00:13:35,360
new facilities without windows

295
00:13:38,550 --> 00:13:37,519
and that bigelow no longer owns the

296
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company or has

297
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divested themselves somehow and uh but

298
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research

299
00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:46,320
uh of the nature i just read to you

300
00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:48,800
is going on there perhaps also at

301
00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:51,360
lockheed martin in california

302
00:13:58,069 --> 00:13:55,279
i think harry reid spoke about uh

303
00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:58,079
ufo uh materials being at lockheed

304
00:14:03,509 --> 00:13:59,680
martin

305
00:14:06,629 --> 00:14:03,519
yes and you are 100 you are 100

306
00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:06,639
correct it's it's such an interesting

307
00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:08,959
shell game it's like going to a carnival

308
00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:10,560
and you know you think the

309
00:14:14,069 --> 00:14:13,680
you think the the bean or whatever is

310
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under

311
00:14:18,710 --> 00:14:16,160
one shell and they're constantly moving

312
00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:18,720
it around for plausible deniability

313
00:14:23,189 --> 00:14:21,440
yes and and they never did stop

314
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investigating ufos

315
00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:26,399
you know that the uh project blue book

316
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was shut down in 1969 well that didn't

317
00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:31,360
mean the ufos said okay well let's all

318
00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:33,040
go home to our own planet

319
00:14:39,189 --> 00:14:36,320
that that ufo reports didn't stop

320
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they kept they kept having uh sightings

321
00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:40,160
but

322
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uh the blue book uh folded in

323
00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:46,800
69 but they kept investigating under

324
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different names

325
00:14:54,829 --> 00:14:51,760
one of them was the the atip that you

326
00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:54,839
mentioned advanced aeronautical threat

327
00:14:59,350 --> 00:14:56,160
identification

328
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program and they had other names for

329
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them

330
00:15:08,230 --> 00:15:05,040
and uh but it's it's never stopped

331
00:15:09,990 --> 00:15:08,240
no but they'd like the public to think

332
00:15:12,310 --> 00:15:10,000
oh well we don't investigate

333
00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:12,320
getting gatos anymore call your police

334
00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:13,519
department oh yeah

335
00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:15,760
i'm sure they want to investigate you

336
00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:17,440
know right

337
00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:19,920
and yeah it's all game it's a show again

338
00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:21,600
it is a shell game it and and

339
00:15:26,949 --> 00:15:23,920
the rapidness with which they move uh

340
00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:26,959
when i initially moved to las vegas

341
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:29,199
i noticed i the first place i went

342
00:15:33,269 --> 00:15:31,199
because i'm a complete

343
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:33,279
nerd when it comes to this is bigelow

344
00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:35,120
aerospace and

345
00:15:38,629 --> 00:15:37,040
it is very interesting they were

346
00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:38,639
actually building

347
00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:42,000
the building around a structure

348
00:15:46,550 --> 00:15:45,040
and so whatever was there was there and

349
00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:46,560
they were building the building

350
00:15:54,389 --> 00:15:49,920
around it and i believe

351
00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:54,399
that the common belief is that that was

352
00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:56,560
the genesis program at the time but we

353
00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:57,920
don't know because this stuff is all

354
00:16:01,910 --> 00:15:59,120
under tarps and

355
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:01,920
and all kinds of stuff and um what i

356
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:03,279
found really intriguing

357
00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:06,480
is as you said in more current times

358
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:09,839
this plausible deniability has gone to

359
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:12,480
an exponential rate where now bigelow

360
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:14,079
claims to only be investigating

361
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:15,519
consciousness

362
00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:17,519
for all intents and purposes his

363
00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:19,680
northeastern las vegas facility is

364
00:16:23,189 --> 00:16:21,519
completely shut down and we're talking

365
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:23,199
about

366
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:25,120
i've never seen a facility like this

367
00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:27,360
even you know it it

368
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:30,560
it's got just the and this is from an

369
00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:32,720
insider but just the hvac

370
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:34,959
systems are millions of dollars because

371
00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:37,040
they can't have any contaminants

372
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:40,240
of any sort from this planet involved in

373
00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:41,759
the research they're doing

374
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:45,680
and and and it's hard to believe that

375
00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:48,160
you know an area a building like this

376
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:50,240
that where someone is spent

377
00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:52,800
so much money is just sitting vacant

378
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:53,839
however if you

379
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:56,800
approach the area the security force is

380
00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:57,759
in full

381
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:00,800
full effect and uh well they have to

382
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:05,600
guard those vacant buildings right

383
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:08,720
exactly those vacant buildings

384
00:17:12,309 --> 00:17:10,240
yeah and i'm really glad you brought

385
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:12,319
that up the um i'm glad you brought up

386
00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:13,360
the

387
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,559
reciprocating we have it we have it in

388
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:24,720
writing uh ryan we have it in writing

389
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:26,480
from the dia

390
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:29,280
that there's uh they call it uap

391
00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:30,080
material

392
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:32,480
there and uh because they don't like the

393
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:34,240
term ufo they uh

394
00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:36,720
they call it uap material and they're

395
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:39,679
doing high level research on it

396
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:43,120
and uh we have it in writing and uh

397
00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:45,120
there's no doubt about it they're trying

398
00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:46,880
to claim oh well it's uh

399
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:49,600
we all we're always uh looking for new

400
00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:50,640
alloys and

401
00:17:55,870 --> 00:17:53,200
that's baloney because the freedom of

402
00:18:01,510 --> 00:17:55,880
information requests

403
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:01,520
specifically mentioned ufo

404
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:05,679
material not uap but ufo

405
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:07,039
material and that's what they were

406
00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:10,880
responding to even as they called it uap

407
00:18:17,350 --> 00:18:14,240
and they're trying to backtrack nagala

408
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:17,360
and now like oh no we we uh we uh we

409
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:19,200
didn't know what we had blah blah blah

410
00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:20,400
blah

411
00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:22,960
it's too late the the horses out of the

412
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:23,679
barn

413
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:26,080
you can't put it back in no matter what

414
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:27,600
they say

415
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:30,880
i agree totally 100 percent agree

416
00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:33,919
and another very interesting thing is

417
00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:37,840
as you said this whole ufo to uap

418
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:40,000
change because some of the documentation

419
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:43,600
prior to the uap switchover all says ufo

420
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:45,520
things like the wilson documents which

421
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:47,840
many people have swept under the rug

422
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:50,080
and for those who are unaware of the

423
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:51,760
wolf's i don't want to go too deep into

424
00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:52,400
it but

425
00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,590
but the wilson documents are saying

426
00:19:02,549 --> 00:18:59,360
everything you are saying

427
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:02,559
uh it is basically the

428
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:06,000
breadcrumbs if you will to this

429
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:08,400
possibility of meta materials and an

430
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:09,039
actual

431
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:10,880
fully working craft from what i

432
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:17,990
well i i to be honest with you i've

433
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:21,120
forgotten all about the wilson uh

434
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:24,000
the wilson thing so i i can't respond to

435
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:26,160
that that's been a couple years ago

436
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:29,039
right and uh it was back and forth

437
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:29,520
whether

438
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,400
i've forgotten all about that so

439
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:38,480
and everybody has it's not just you i

440
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,600
had two and

441
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:41,360
it it's one of those things i think it

442
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:42,720
was quickly debunked

443
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:46,320
as these things often are by uh you know

444
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:49,600
quote-unquote people who know and uh

445
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:52,799
that was that um moving on but you know

446
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:53,360
it's

447
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:57,440
quickly debunked and then 10 years later

448
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:57,919
they pop

449
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,520
up um i wanted to ask you also a quote

450
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,200
in the book which i just

451
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:05,760
and i was fascinated by the shirley

452
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:07,280
maclean section

453
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,159
and i love the quote i believe in ufos i

454
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,080
believe in extraterrestrials and i

455
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:13,840
believe in angels

456
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:16,640
and maybe they'll protect all of us that

457
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:17,280
was so

458
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:21,840
epic well uh shirley maclaine

459
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:25,440
interviewed don schmidt and myself uh

460
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:28,159
this was after our second book uh

461
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:30,720
witness to roswell second edition

462
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:34,320
came out in 2009 so

463
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:36,559
she wanted to interview us because as

464
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:37,520
you know she's had

465
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:40,720
sightings of her own and

466
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:43,919
she's into uh channeling

467
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,960
and mysticism and that sort of thing and

468
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:48,000
uh i had

469
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:50,799
i had the distinct feeling that uh we

470
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:53,440
were not far out enough for her

471
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,000
you know i mean we don schmidt and i are

472
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,320
like a nuts and bolts

473
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:01,039
type investigators uh give us the facts

474
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:03,280
ma'am that's what we're interested in

475
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:06,799
and i felt that we uh we were not

476
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:10,400
far out enough for her but uh she

477
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:14,559
uh told us that she had

478
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:17,600
after jimmy carter left the presidency

479
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:21,039
she had an occasion to meet with him

480
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:25,280
and she asked him about ufos

481
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:29,520
and carter replied to her that

482
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,360
he said we do have that uh ufo material

483
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:34,720
in hand

484
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:38,080
but he can't state it publicly wow

485
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:41,360
uh in that respect he had to be talking

486
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:42,880
about roswell

487
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:47,039
certainly and uh so that's why she's in

488
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,480
in the book because uh

489
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,640
you know she did interview she requested

490
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,159
you know to be interviewed

491
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:57,039
interview us and then she told us that

492
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,000
story about jimmy

493
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,720
carter and there was another story i

494
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,400
forget who told it it's in the book

495
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:05,039
somewhere and

496
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,039
i forget who gave us a story that

497
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:11,600
jimmy carter when he was president he

498
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,549
about what what the government had on

499
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,400
ufos and somebody came

500
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,440
in and said well you don't

501
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,600
you don't have a real need to know mr

502
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:26,559
president

503
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:30,320
and when the meeting was over our source

504
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,440
said jimmy carter was

505
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:35,840
sitting there with a far away look

506
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,200
almost in tears at what he had heard

507
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,240
we suspect he heard you know something

508
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,559
that he could not divulge like hey mr

509
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:46,400
president we do have this stuff we have

510
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:47,120
that

511
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,320
but uh we we can't clue you in on it

512
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,840
because you don't have a need to know

513
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:53,679
but he got enough information

514
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:56,480
that he was very upset at what he had

515
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:58,000
heard

516
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:59,679
and i believe that a hundred percent

517
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,120
with jimmy carter it

518
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:04,000
it is one of those cases in history

519
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,559
where

520
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,200
i mean we had a pro he he was he seemed

521
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,520
to be a president who was just

522
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,760
blown away by the subject and i think

523
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:13,840
you you he had his he had his own

524
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:16,640
sighting he had his own sighting

525
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:19,760
and it appears in reading the

526
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,480
account of it it was a very good

527
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,720
sighting where he was he was about to go

528
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,360
give a speech somewhere give a give a

529
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:28,880
talk somewhere and he was

530
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,600
standing outside the the venue

531
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,360
[Music]

532
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,679
and this light in the sky it was it was

533
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,600
getting near dusk it was not dark

534
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:39,200
outside it was getting near dusk and

535
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:39,919
this light

536
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,279
approached them and headed right for

537
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,080
them and then just hovered over a nearby

538
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,559
tree and everybody's standing there

539
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,159
looking at that

540
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,640
and then it flew off at great speed so

541
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:54,480
it was a fairly close

542
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,679
sighting with a a number of people were

543
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,120
with him

544
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,320
and he filed a an official report

545
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,600
i don't know if it was with leuphan or

546
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:08,559
uh nightcap or napro or whatever i but

547
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,120
he did file an official report

548
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:13,679
uh that is on file somewhere and it was

549
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,559
a good signing

550
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:17,120
that he had so that's probably why when

551
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:18,080
he became president

552
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,600
he wanted to know well what do you have

553
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:21,360
on this and

554
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,919
somebody mentioned something that really

555
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:25,600
upset him

556
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:28,720
and he was he was very distraught when

557
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,760
our source left the room

558
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,919
yes i don't doubt that for a minute and

559
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:35,360
you what i like

560
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:38,880
about the the approach of your book

561
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:42,960
is you you delve into each individual

562
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,559
um deeply but also uh with reverence

563
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,480
because of the subject matter

564
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:51,200
and whether it is like like you

565
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,799
mentioned jimmy carter

566
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:55,200
and i mean a personal sighting that's a

567
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:57,039
pretty big deal for a president

568
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,640
um you you you go into detail where

569
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:02,240
other people have kind of skimmed over

570
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:03,360
there's a lot of

571
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,640
people don't know

572
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,240
that is in your book for example in the

573
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,720
bigelow section you delve into rod

574
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:13,440
who was a great kid and but at the same

575
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,000
time

576
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,240
you know you it's an area that people

577
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,760
don't delve into and that's that's

578
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:19,679
robert bigelow's son who

579
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:22,880
who um succumbed to addiction and

580
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:25,360
there's uh other other interesting

581
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:26,159
things that i

582
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,760
your book just every single section um

583
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,279
i want to get into the marcel section

584
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,600
but i i have to delve into the aussie

585
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,360
osborne section because

586
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,600
oh don't don't do that because i didn't

587
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,880
write that chapter

588
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:40,720
oh darn if you want to say something

589
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:43,279
about it go ahead but i can't

590
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,039
comment on that chapter because i didn't

591
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,440
write it no worries no worries and

592
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,440
and just to clarify the listeners we do

593
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,640
have only uh

594
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,400
one of the authors of the book it's a

595
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,480
great book there are two authors to the

596
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,919
book but i have to dive into this

597
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,279
section because

598
00:26:01,110 --> 00:26:00,480
ozzy osbourne um his son is a friend of

599
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:01,120
mine

600
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,400
and you interestingly went into

601
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,840
uh well i'll just read it really quick

602
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,679
if that's quit okay uh

603
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,679
legendary british heavy metal artist and

604
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,440
former lead performer with the group

605
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,720
black sabbath

606
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,640
was a total skeptic on the subject of

607
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,760
ufos

608
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,679
that is until his visit to roswell in

609
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,880
2015

610
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,039
for years whenever the performer

611
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:23,039
returned to his home in los angeles from

612
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,400
touring around the world

613
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,720
he would bring books home to his son

614
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,600
jack

615
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,320
often they were ufo books and on one

616
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:31,679
occasion they included the author's

617
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,799
best-selling

618
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:35,200
tome witness to roswell which i think

619
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,240
many have read

620
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,039
so when jack was first diagnosed with a

621
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:41,600
severe form of multiple sclerosis in

622
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:42,559
2012

623
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:45,279
he proceeded to make out his bucket list

624
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,400
quote unquote

625
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,640
of the things he still wanted to see and

626
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:50,880
do while the disease would allow

627
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,440
now where this is very it touches me

628
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,200
deeply tom because

629
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:57,279
um i'm a friend of jax and i was

630
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:58,320
actually with him

631
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:01,919
in 2012 when this uh

632
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:04,960
when he felt the i guess symptoms

633
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:08,159
of multiple sclerosis and the

634
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,760
interesting thing is

635
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,240
he was on skinwalker ridge with myself

636
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:13,919
and some other individuals

637
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,200
and so we were in um in an area

638
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,760
that is very ufo related so i think

639
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,600
everything in the book is so well

640
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:22,880
documented i just

641
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,360
hands down you guys nailed it i mean

642
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,120
even in areas that i found personal i

643
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:28,480
was like wow these guys nailed it

644
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,919
really cool stuff um yes

645
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:34,159
don wrote half the chapters and i wrote

646
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:35,520
half the chapters

647
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:39,600
and don wrote the ozzy osbourne one

648
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:42,480
and uh he actually wrote the bigelow one

649
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,600
as well

650
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:45,440
but i did know a few things about

651
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:46,720
bigelow that

652
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:48,799
i learned after the book was published

653
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,440
and uh that's what i discussed with you

654
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:53,840
but we have we have elvis presley in

655
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:56,799
there everybody's heard of elvis

656
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,320
and yeah uh i wrote that chapter

657
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,880
and it was very interesting uh

658
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:04,240
[Music]

659
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:07,279
what happened was uh

660
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:10,960
elvis uh had his own personal

661
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:14,480
jet he had his own uh lockheed electra

662
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:17,760
personal jet it was red

663
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:21,840
it was uh had the velvet inside i mean

664
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,200
we we were down at roswell the the air

665
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:27,600
base the old air base is still there

666
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:30,640
amazing and we wanted to go

667
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:33,679
out onto the base

668
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,880
where they they had loaded up the aliens

669
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:38,799
and they had the aliens

670
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:41,840
in a large wooden crate

671
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,679
and we wanted to go to the spot

672
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:47,760
where they had actually loaded that

673
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:49,039
crate into a

674
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,789
it was the old what they called bomb pit

675
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,399
number one it was a large

676
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,120
bomb pit where they would put in uh

677
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:03,440
atomic bombs because it was an atomic

678
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,320
bomb base

679
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:07,679
uh the only one in the world at the time

680
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,399
and so we went to that spot it it's now

681
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:11,679
just uh like a

682
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:14,960
cemented over cul-de-sac it's a cemented

683
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,360
over

684
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,240
area and so we got permission to go out

685
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:21,600
onto the tarmac to take the photos

686
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,159
so i took the photos of the of where the

687
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:26,559
bomb pit was

688
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,679
and i didn't know it at the time

689
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,679
but in one of the photos i took you

690
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:33,919
could see this red

691
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,279
lockhead electra aircraft parked

692
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:40,080
close to this where the bomb pit was no

693
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,640
way

694
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,399
so when we're leaving we said hey let's

695
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,240
go over and take a look at that airplane

696
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,240
that looks pretty neat

697
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,480
and so we get over there and we said oh

698
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:50,000
this must have been the airplane of

699
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:50,880
somebody

700
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:55,600
famous and uh it turned out

701
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,039
that it was elvis's personal airplane

702
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,600
and it had been sitting there for 35

703
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:03,360
years

704
00:30:09,149 --> 00:30:06,640
right and it was sold in 19 i'm sorry in

705
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:09,159
2017 it was sold for

706
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,279
440 000 but it had sat

707
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:15,440
right next to where the aliens had been

708
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:16,720
loaded into the

709
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,480
b-29 to fly out of roswell it had sat

710
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:22,000
there for 35 years

711
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:25,760
after elvis died so elvis didn't know it

712
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,200
but he was connected to roswell and you

713
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,279
guys actually include an image of this

714
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,200
in the book which i thought was really

715
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,480
cool yes

716
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,600
yes i took the pictures

717
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,360
i took the picture of the aircraft

718
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,960
because we thought it was

719
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,880
we thought it was somebody famous that

720
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,399
had owned it

721
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:46,559
and we looked inside and everything was

722
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:47,440
like plush

723
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:50,960
velvet red and you can see the the

724
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:54,159
the plane itself is red and it was in

725
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:54,720
pretty good

726
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:58,799
shape and they sold it for 440 000

727
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,919
a few years ago but at the time

728
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:03,840
i didn't know i had a picture of the

729
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,640
bomb pit but you can also see the plane

730
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:08,159
in the distance

731
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,720
i didn't know uh and i said oh my

732
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:12,880
goodness i got the plane in the distance

733
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,679
and so

734
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,519
that's in the book both pictures are in

735
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:17,840
the book wow

736
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:20,480
it's it's a it's a plain fit for a king

737
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,039
and

738
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:24,000
you know uh something we can't brush

739
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,480
over

740
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:27,360
and you mentioned earlier is the prince

741
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:27,919
hans

742
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,399
adam the second of lichnistein can we go

743
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:31,600
into that a little bit that's

744
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:35,039
so amazing uh prince hard

745
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,039
prince hans adam ii is now the

746
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,760
uh he is now the head of state in

747
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:43,760
liechtenstein

748
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:47,120
and uh he is the uh the richest head of

749
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,320
state

750
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:51,279
in all of europe and he's the fourth

751
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:54,640
richest head of state in the world

752
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:57,840
in 1990 he was

753
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,000
very interested in the roswell case

754
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,720
and he was so interested that he

755
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:05,679
sponsored

756
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:09,679
and funded a meeting of all of the then

757
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:12,080
living firsthand witnesses that we knew

758
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:13,039
of

759
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,799
to the 1947 crash

760
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:18,320
all the ones we knew that were still

761
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,519
alive he brought to washington dc

762
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,919
it must have cost a ton of well he did

763
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:25,679
he well he has a ton of money

764
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:30,000
so he funded this uh uh

765
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:33,760
meeting in washington and there were 27

766
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:37,519
first-hand witnesses that we found

767
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:40,880
that he brought to washington and he

768
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,480
videotaped each one's story

769
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,039
who they were what they knew what they

770
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:49,360
saw what they knew of the case

771
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,480
all 27 he videotaped

772
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:57,600
uh they're all dead now

773
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:00,960
they're all dead and they

774
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:04,399
in 1992 they put it into a video

775
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:07,919
uh where they call it the vhs

776
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:11,039
that's back when they had vsh vhs tapes

777
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,320
you know before the discs

778
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,039
in cuba and they called it recollections

779
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:17,519
of roswell and i have a copy of it i

780
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:17,919
still

781
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,320
use it to find out what so and so said

782
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,200
back then about their experience and he

783
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,120
funded that whole thing

784
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,960
and that was his connection to roswell

785
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:30,320
he was very interested

786
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:34,000
in it and uh i'm trying to get don

787
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:38,880
schmidt because don schmidt knows the um

788
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,559
the ambassador from liechtenstein in in

789
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,679
washington

790
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:46,320
i said hey don oh man can you get us a

791
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,720
trip

792
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,720
over there i'd like i'd like to see

793
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,799
lichtenstein maybe i want to live there

794
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:52,799
i don't know but

795
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,760
but uh he did that and it cost a lot of

796
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:56,640
money and

797
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:59,440
uh like i said all of those witnesses

798
00:34:04,149 --> 00:33:59,840
now

799
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:04,159
somebody to carry your bags when you go

800
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:05,600
over there i'll definitely

801
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:09,839
do my best but

802
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:13,200
he was uh it was an amazing thing he did

803
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,159
it was right before it was right before

804
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:18,240
i got involved in the case

805
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,079
and this took place in 1990 but uh

806
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:28,879
it was an amazing thing because it's a

807
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,200
uh

808
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,320
it's like you know it's like taking

809
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:35,520
somebody's statement for posterity which

810
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:36,720
is what it is

811
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:41,200
and there's only one person

812
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:44,639
that is on the tape that's still alive

813
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,280
and she was only she's only alive

814
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,159
i mean she's only on the tape because

815
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:52,560
she's the granddaughter of the sheriff

816
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:53,679
of roswell

817
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,960
george wilcox she was his granddaughter

818
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,359
she didn't want to go to washington so

819
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:03,040
they videotaped her

820
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,079
in her roswell home so she's

821
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:08,079
still alive that's the only one that's

822
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:09,200
still alive from

823
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,560
all of the ones that they interviewed

824
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:15,280
at that time so it just goes to show

825
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:16,240
that with time

826
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,680
a lot of these time is on uh

827
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,520
the side of those who are writing

828
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,280
history and

829
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,520
it seems like with time a lot of these

830
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:27,359
things can be swept under the rug if you

831
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,839
can just

832
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:30,400
keep them on the back burner long enough

833
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:31,119
they're uh

834
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,800
we always said that the government's

835
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:34,880
trying to run trying to run out the

836
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,520
clock

837
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,520
like a basketball term you know or

838
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:40,000
football trying to run out the clock on

839
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,119
roswell

840
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:44,400
and as far as the first 10 witnesses

841
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,040
goes as far as i know they're all going

842
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:51,200
we are not aware of any first-hand

843
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:52,480
witnesses that are still

844
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,520
alive second even some of the second

845
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,640
hand like the children they're starting

846
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,160
to go as well

847
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:02,320
oh my god like i said barbara duggar is

848
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:03,280
a grand

849
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:06,800
granddaughter of uh the sheriff

850
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,440
and uh so that it's it's a dwindling

851
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,000
they're running out the clock and that's

852
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:15,599
why the

853
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,520
the book that i told you about

854
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:21,680
that came out last year you see you see

855
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:23,599
it says roswell the cold

856
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,680
case we thought it was going to be our

857
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:29,520
last book

858
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:32,880
and we've uh we've written

859
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,160
uh touched by roswell

860
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:39,599
since then and we actually we have a

861
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:40,560
book coming out

862
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:44,160
next year that we're finishing up right

863
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:44,560
now

864
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,320
call it's the uh it's the third edition

865
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,560
of our very first book called witness to

866
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,720
roswell we're updating it

867
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,119
uh because next year is the 75th

868
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:57,520
anniversary of the crash

869
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:01,280
wow so our publisher wanted to to uh

870
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,320
put out a a book for next year so we

871
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:07,119
we're doing the very first one in an

872
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,160
updated

873
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,560
version and we're just finishing that up

874
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,200
now and will be out next year

875
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:16,240
oh that's exciting um and just for our

876
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:16,880
listeners

877
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,920
you have quite a few books

878
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,280
i would like to just take a minute

879
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:22,960
before because i'm going to ask

880
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,599
i want to get this done before because i

881
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:27,680
we may not have time at the end

882
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,040
and that is could you go through a list

883
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,119
of the books that you've

884
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:36,000
written on the subject matter yes

885
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:36,720
there's

886
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,920
we've had we've we've written 10 books

887
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,160
the very first one was our best seller

888
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:48,800
called witness to roswell

889
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:52,240
that came out in 2007.

890
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,240
don schmidt and i teamed up in 1998

891
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:58,560
right after the 50th anniversary of the

892
00:38:03,589 --> 00:37:59,839
case

893
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:03,599
because uh most of the in

894
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:07,040
researchers left the field in 1997 they

895
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:08,640
figure well there's nothing more to

896
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,079
learn well don and i wanted to continue

897
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:15,200
a proactive investigation of the case so

898
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,400
we teamed up in may of 1998 we're still

899
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:20,160
a team

900
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,280
and we've published 10 books

901
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,280
in that time the first one being witness

902
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,000
to roswell

903
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:30,720
it did so well that our publisher wanted

904
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:31,200
us

905
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,560
a second edition so in 2009

906
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:36,320
two years later we did the second

907
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:39,680
edition of witness to roswell

908
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,200
we followed that with uh inside the real

909
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:44,960
area 51.

910
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,000
great which is wright-patterson

911
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,960
air force base it was a book about right

912
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,640
patterson because

913
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,320
that's where you know everybody

914
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:57,359
associates area 51 with aliens right you

915
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,240
know

916
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,079
i'll give a talk and i'll say how many

917
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,680
people here uh

918
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:04,240
ever heard of area 51 and all the hands

919
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,520
go up

920
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,599
well how many people here have ever

921
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:09,839
heard of wright patterson air force base

922
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:10,320
and

923
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,560
with a book about

924
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,560
wright patterson which is where all of

925
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,320
the roswell material went

926
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:21,119
where it's where the bodies went right

927
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:22,079
after the crash

928
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:25,920
is called inside the real area 51

929
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:29,359
of about wright patterson so that was

930
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:29,839
the

931
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,720
i'm probably going to forget one here

932
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:36,960
somewhere but the the fourth book was

933
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:44,630
and that came out in 2000

934
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,000
i'm sorry inside the real area 51 came

935
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:50,800
out in 2013

936
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:54,000
uh in 2016 we published the children of

937
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:54,880
roswell

938
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,280
which was basically about the you know

939
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:58,720
the children of the

940
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:01,280
the uh witnesses because so many were

941
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,400
passing away

942
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,160
right we wanted to talk about the

943
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:10,180
so that's two thousand and

944
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,750
so i was sort of worn out at that point

945
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,680
i didn't want to

946
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,839
write another book right away but don

947
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,359
schmidt

948
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,200
he wanted to write another book so he

949
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,599
wrote a book in 2017

950
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,000
called cover-up at roswell which i

951
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:32,960
contributed to

952
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,160
so and so that's 2017 2018 uh

953
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:41,520
i don't think we did anything in 2018

954
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:49,030
the one i just showed you roswell the

955
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,240
ultimate cold case yeah

956
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:55,359
in 2020 we did two books

957
00:41:02,710 --> 00:40:59,680
called i'm sorry in 2000

958
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,720
and i'm sorry i mixed that up in 2019 we

959
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:04,079
did

960
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,599
ufo secrets inside wright patterson

961
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,680
which was the sequel to the inside the

962
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:11,680
real area 51

963
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:16,880
book so in in 19 we did ufo secrets

964
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:20,400
ufo secrets inside wright patterson

965
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:26,880
that's 2019. 2020 we did two books

966
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:30,000
one was roswell the ultimate cold case

967
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:31,040
closed

968
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,119
the other one was a large pictorial

969
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,079
called roswell the chronological

970
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:40,640
pictorial i got it somewhere here but

971
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,520
it's it's the timeline of the roswell

972
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:44,960
case in pictures

973
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,079
it's a big coffee table book uh

974
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:50,240
it has the whole case from the time of

975
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:51,280
the crash

976
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:55,520
up to the present in 2020 in pictures

977
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:58,960
and in 2021 we did

978
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,000
this one touched by roswell there

979
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,119
you are there are your 10 books next

980
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,760
year's book will be our 11th on roswell

981
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:10,079
it will be the the updated version of

982
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,280
our

983
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,000
witness to roswell book i believe that

984
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:17,200
will be our last roswell book

985
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,079
unless something stupendous happens but

986
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,160
there's there's our 10 books and then

987
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:24,880
soon to be next year our 11th book

988
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:29,119
great books and um they all go into

989
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,880
their they're all i love how they're all

990
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,560
extensions of yourselves and that you

991
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:34,079
guys really delve into what you want to

992
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,440
delve into

993
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,079
and some of this stuff is pretty deep if

994
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:40,400
it's okay i wanted to dive into general

995
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,200
wesley k

996
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,760
clark because it's hard to not do that

997
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,599
another one that's another one that don

998
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:47,119
schmidt wrote

999
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,829
you've only asked me about ones that don

1000
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:55,680
wrote

1001
00:43:03,030 --> 00:42:59,760
so um go ahead the elvis one was

1002
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:03,040
amazing and you know it's more just a

1003
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:06,960
comment that general wesley clark made

1004
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,160
which was that uh let's see let me find

1005
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:12,000
it here

1006
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:16,400
don ran into him in an airport and uh

1007
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:19,599
uh you know to his credit he went up and

1008
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:20,240
uh

1009
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,839
asked general clark about

1010
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,880
roswell

1011
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:29,520
yeah and it's it kind of goes into kind

1012
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,240
of all of

1013
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,720
the government side of it when and and

1014
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:33,920
the quote is

1015
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:36,880
when you were approached by the general

1016
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:37,280
and

1017
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:40,480
posed let's see here pose the question

1018
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,040
were was the military ever debriefed on

1019
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,280
the subject of ufos clark responded

1020
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:47,920
i heard a bit in fact i'm going to be in

1021
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:50,480
roswell new mexico tonight

1022
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,079
there are things going on so roswell

1023
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,680
like you mentioned earlier with the

1024
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,160
elvis plane and i've only seen that from

1025
00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:59,359
the outside

1026
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:02,560
stunning

1027
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,760
this complex is beyond anything i ever

1028
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:07,680
expected to see in this town

1029
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:10,560
and it's almost more fascinating to look

1030
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,440
at the

1031
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,440
government structures in the town at

1032
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,040
that south side of town

1033
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:17,599
than it is you know the museums and that

1034
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,880
because it's a real

1035
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:21,440
relic it's like it's it's unbelievable

1036
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:22,240
how

1037
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,839
that town is set up whenever i visit the

1038
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:27,599
base the old base

1039
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:30,960
it's the old base is still there i feel

1040
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:33,520
like i'm walking on hallowed or sacred

1041
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:34,720
ground i really do

1042
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:37,599
every time i visit that base even though

1043
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,319
most of the structures

1044
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:43,359
are gone from the old days you know the

1045
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,319
the barracks and the uh various

1046
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:47,760
buildings

1047
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,640
the only structure that's still there

1048
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,319
you know especially the base hospital

1049
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,240
that's all gone but

1050
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,560
but i did was able to get pictures of

1051
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:58,160
most of those

1052
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,920
uh before they were torn down in in the

1053
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:03,520
1990s

1054
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,599
my first trip there was like 1993

1055
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:09,680
and most of those structures were still

1056
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,720
there so i

1057
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:12,880
i just you know snapped pictures of

1058
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:14,160
everything

1059
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:17,920
and the only structure that's still left

1060
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,079
from the old base that was involved as

1061
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:22,160
the big base hanger

1062
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,359
the hangar it's now building 84 but it

1063
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,200
was hangar p3

1064
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,160
in 1947. that's still there it's still a

1065
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,000
functioning hangar

1066
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,240
i've got pictures of that inside in the

1067
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,160
room where we think the bodies were kept

1068
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,599
and all that sort of stuff

1069
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,520
but everything else has been torn down

1070
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,119
the guest house

1071
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,920
where mac brazil was sequestered for a

1072
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,880
week

1073
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,319
where they tried today where they got

1074
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,720
him to change his story

1075
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,280
uh that was the last structure that it

1076
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:53,119
was still there as far as just a few

1077
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,000
years ago

1078
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,200
but it's gone now isn't it and even out

1079
00:46:04,150 --> 00:45:59,359
at the crash site

1080
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,109
which was an old bunk house where jesse

1081
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,150
sheridan cavett and mac brazil stayed

1082
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,160
overnight before they went to the debris

1083
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,079
field to view the wreckage

1084
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,640
that house stayed there until last year

1085
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:20,800
when they tore it down

1086
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,280
but i got pictures of it inside and

1087
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:25,359
outside so

1088
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:28,720
those are all in all of our books

1089
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,760
and unfortunately if you go to the well

1090
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,680
there's actually new owners of the land

1091
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:34,640
now you keep

1092
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:37,440
they won't allow you on the land see

1093
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:38,000
these

1094
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,079
you know the old crash site and uh but

1095
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,319
you you never know that's why

1096
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:46,480
you know i love history and whenever i'm

1097
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,520
in the

1098
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,160
presence of something historical i take

1099
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:51,839
pictures

1100
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,200
and uh it's

1101
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,200
you know they're they're in all of our

1102
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:58,880
books but i unfortunately

1103
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,750
the pictures in the book are something

1104
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:05,119
else that i thought was really

1105
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,920
intriguing

1106
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,520
and the ones that you chose to put in

1107
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,839
the book and some of the people you

1108
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:11,280
chose to put in the book because there's

1109
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,400
so many

1110
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:15,520
and um for example dwight yocum

1111
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:23,510
yes uh dwight yocum i think i wrote that

1112
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:24,160
chapter

1113
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:27,280
i'm a big country music fan and

1114
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,319
dwight yoakam of the bakersfield

1115
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,640
sound he is the you know that's his

1116
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,280
music style the bakersfield sound

1117
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,280
along with his uh one of my favorites

1118
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:39,280
buck owens

1119
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:43,440
uh he played uh mac brazil

1120
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:46,640
in the movie roswell the 1994 movie

1121
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,000
uh roswell he played mac brazil

1122
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,480
great movie and he did a good job at it

1123
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:54,000
and uh he's remained

1124
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:58,000
friends with don schmidt over the years

1125
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:01,680
and uh we have him uh a nice write-up of

1126
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,520
i i did that chapter and uh because you

1127
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:07,359
know i'm a big country music fan

1128
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:10,800
and uh so i wanted to do it

1129
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,079
and uh his con his you know uh brush

1130
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:16,000
with roswell was that he played mac

1131
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:16,559
razzle

1132
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:19,599
in the movie so and there's a lot of

1133
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:23,040
interesting um dana dan aykroyd and

1134
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,640
david aykroyd i don't know if we have

1135
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,640
time but that i think they were both

1136
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:28,400
worth mentioning even though they are

1137
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,280
uh not related and that's the first

1138
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:33,040
thing i assumed as well when i read is

1139
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,240
that they were related

1140
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,200
could we go into david and uh the more

1141
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:39,680
famous one is dan aykroyd he

1142
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,880
because he's friends with uh what is i

1143
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,960
i have to look i have to look at it who

1144
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,480
is oh yes

1145
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,440
he's friends with bill murray the uh you

1146
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:51,119
know the actor comedian

1147
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:54,960
and sort of both iconoclastic and uh

1148
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:57,599
the thing about dan aykroyd is he's very

1149
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,319
interested in ufos

1150
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:03,359
and he did a whole show i have to look

1151
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:04,640
at it they're called

1152
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:07,920
dan aykroyd unplugged ufos

1153
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:11,599
big big tv special and it's on disk

1154
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:15,520
great show he mentions roswell and uh

1155
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,880
that's his sort of uh avocation is he's

1156
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:20,880
really into ufos and of course

1157
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:29,190
david aykroyd was a mos

1158
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,000
most people don't recall that he did he

1159
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:34,319
was a host of uh

1160
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:38,000
a tv show many tv shows i guess

1161
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:41,440
and he did one of the first

1162
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,040
specials about roswell

1163
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:47,359
the i believe the first special about

1164
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,319
roswell

1165
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:51,040
was stunned by leonard nimoy remember

1166
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,000
him from dr

1167
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:54,880
spock he played dr spock of course of

1168
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:55,440
course

1169
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,200
and and leonard de moy in 1980

1170
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:01,760
did the first uh tv special about

1171
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,640
roswell

1172
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,480
it was the half a five record was a half

1173
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,319
hour show

1174
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,640
he interviewed or still living jesse

1175
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,599
marcel

1176
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:12,800
out at the crash site and

1177
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,920
this is the same year that the book the

1178
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:17,520
roswell incident came out

1179
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:20,880
1980 and there was a movie

1180
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,079
that came out in 1980 called hangar 18

1181
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:26,160
about the famous hanger at wright

1182
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:27,440
patterson

1183
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:31,440
and then the interview with jesse marcel

1184
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:34,559
out at the uh the old crash site and

1185
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:37,839
uh that was done by letter de moy

1186
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,960
but um

1187
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:43,520
david aykroyd also did a special about

1188
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:44,480
roswell he was

1189
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:47,599
he hosted many many shows and that was

1190
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:48,000
his

1191
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:54,720
he did a special on it it's it's pretty

1192
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,119
neat

1193
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,599
how everybody who has kind of come into

1194
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:59,760
contact with the idea

1195
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:02,640
has ended up doing something great and

1196
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:03,200
and

1197
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,800
doing another one

1198
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,880
you remember mike farrell right mike

1199
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,079
farrell

1200
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:13,200
played uh b.j hunnicutt in the

1201
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:16,880
in the famous tv series mash

1202
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:21,040
he played b.j hanukkah the surgeon

1203
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:26,319
but uh he was he was in 1988

1204
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:30,480
he hosted a three-hour live

1205
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:34,160
show about you it was called ufos live

1206
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:37,520
on a three-hour special on ufos

1207
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:40,880
it it was carried live on tv i remember

1208
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:41,680
i

1209
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:56,800
roswell

1210
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,240
on that show he did a good job he also

1211
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:01,680
introduced

1212
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:04,720
with their faces blocked out

1213
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,040
one fella named his code name was falcon

1214
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:11,520
and the other one was condor they were

1215
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:12,400
two

1216
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,440
behind the scenes uh secret

1217
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,240
agent types and it was they did a good

1218
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:19,920
show but that was his contact with

1219
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,640
roswell

1220
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,720
as he had all three of them were five of

1221
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:24,240
them on his

1222
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:28,880
special about ufo ufos live

1223
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,000
in 1988 and and to give listeners

1224
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,319
an idea of the contents and just how

1225
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,160
many people are listed

1226
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:38,240
um i'm going to run through it really

1227
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:39,440
quick and and

1228
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:42,640
it's david aykroyd dan aykroyd prince

1229
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:46,079
of liechtenstein adrian barbeau xander

1230
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,920
berkeley robert bigelow

1231
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,000
dr werner von braun which you could do a

1232
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:51,760
whole podcast about

1233
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:54,720
tom brookshire chris carter president

1234
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:55,680
jimmy carter

1235
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,680
general wesley k clark president bill

1236
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:59,520
clinton congressman merrill clook

1237
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:02,079
who i he's from utah and i'm aware of

1238
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:03,599
how interesting that is

1239
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:07,119
gordon cooper dennis crosby dick d

1240
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,559
amato ted danson which was a surprise

1241
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:13,040
and the list goes on and on and these

1242
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,160
are all celebrity

1243
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,440
status individuals and

1244
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,200
it's it's almost little known

1245
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:21,359
information

1246
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,280
yes ted danson was an interesting one

1247
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,400
uh everybody knows him from cheers

1248
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:31,280
the bartender sam malone from from

1249
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,160
cheers

1250
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:34,880
plus other movies he's done but i think

1251
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:37,040
he's best known for

1252
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:40,960
his bartender role at cheers but

1253
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:44,160
his father ned

1254
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,079
danson was a harvard archaeologist

1255
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:50,319
and certainly most people don't know

1256
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:53,599
that but his father was an archaeologist

1257
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,480
from harvard university and he was in

1258
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:58,720
new mexico

1259
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,160
in the summer of 1947.

1260
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:04,720
and uh so i thought oh my goodness uh

1261
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:05,520
he's

1262
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:08,720
know in

1263
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,440
new mexico so uh

1264
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:15,599
i think so what i did is i wrote a

1265
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,880
letter

1266
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,440
because i didn't know where uh where

1267
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:21,359
they lived you know so i wrote a letter

1268
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:21,760
to

1269
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:25,359
ted danson care of the mass show

1270
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:26,319
wherever that was

1271
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,520
uh i'm sorry the cheers

1272
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:32,000
the cheer show yeah wherever that was

1273
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:32,800
being filmed

1274
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:36,480
and it ultimately got to ted danson

1275
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,200
and he gave it father because it was his

1276
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,240
father i was interested in

1277
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,640
so i got a letter back from his father

1278
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:46,240
saying yes yes i was

1279
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:50,880
you know he was out there in 1947

1280
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,839
partly in arizona and partly in new

1281
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:55,359
mexico but that he

1282
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:58,720
was unaware of uh any

1283
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:02,160
you know a ufo crash and uh

1284
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,640
so uh the the the other reason being at

1285
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,640
the time

1286
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,960
we thought that there was part of the

1287
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,119
crash took place on the plains of saint

1288
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:15,599
augustine

1289
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:18,720
which was near socorro not near roswell

1290
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,000
or corona and the

1291
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,400
uh story was that i read in an

1292
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:26,880
archaeology magazine or journal that

1293
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,000
that his team from harvard got to the

1294
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:32,720
plains of saint augustine

1295
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,920
in 1946 that summer

1296
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,599
and we're thinking oh my goodness that's

1297
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:39,359
where part of the crash

1298
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,319
well he he uh assured me that nothing

1299
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,319
took place

1300
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,000
that summer on the plains of san

1301
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,240
augustine which helped us

1302
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,160
actually remove the plains of santa

1303
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:52,720
guston from the roswell story

1304
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:57,520
and also ted danson himself

1305
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:01,040
we understand what it

1306
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:03,040
was interested in playing the part of

1307
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,319
mac brazil

1308
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:07,440
in the movie roswell that uh dwight

1309
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,480
yokomo

1310
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:11,040
uh played the part i'm sorry take that

1311
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:11,760
back

1312
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,839
he wanted to play the part of jesse

1313
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,160
marcel

1314
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:18,079
ted danson wanted to play the part of

1315
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,680
jesse marcel

1316
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:22,160
what an interesting what an interesting

1317
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:23,200
twist

1318
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:26,000
yeah and they ultimately uh what was

1319
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:27,440
kyle mclaughlin

1320
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,960
got that part so um

1321
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,359
you know it's it's amazing that the

1322
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,319
people that were touched in some way

1323
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:39,440
by roswell and the synchronicities are

1324
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,640
just like you mentioned

1325
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:43,040
uh you know his father being there doing

1326
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,160
an archaeological

1327
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:46,799
dig and then him wanting to play the

1328
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,599
part it's just

1329
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,359
very interesting the synchronicities

1330
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,359
that take place and tom

1331
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:53,520
before we don't have enough time i

1332
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:55,280
wanted to definitely make sure that our

1333
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,559
listeners can

1334
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,799
get your book and where they can get

1335
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,480
your book and if you could explain uh

1336
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,920
where they can best keep up with your

1337
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,599
work

1338
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:06,000
well you can get the book certainly at

1339
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,200
amazon

1340
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:10,240
that's the main the main seller and at

1341
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:11,359
barnes noble

1342
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,480
uh online those are the big that's where

1343
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,480
most people get their books now

1344
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:19,040
our website uh unfortunately at the

1345
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:19,920
moment

1346
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:23,200
is down we don't know why i'll give you

1347
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:24,319
the uh

1348
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:31,430
www.roswellinvestigator.com that's all

1349
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:36,880
one word www.roswellinvestigator.com

1350
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:39,040
now this we've had the site for 20 years

1351
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,160
but we've

1352
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,400
found out recently that it's down for

1353
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,680
some reason

1354
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,920
we're trying to get it back online we

1355
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:47,599
don't know why they took it down

1356
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:50,720
because we're we're paid up of course so

1357
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,319
uh our site has all kinds of information

1358
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,480
it also has all of our books that if

1359
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,480
you're interested in buying one when it

1360
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,920
comes back up

1361
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,920
just click on the you know just click on

1362
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,440
the book and it'll take you right to

1363
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:05,040
amazon

1364
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:08,079
so that's the main uh focal point for

1365
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,000
don schmidt and myself

1366
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,319
great and i appreciate you sharing that

1367
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,079
and i appreciate you spending some time

1368
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:16,160
with us today explaining this amazing

1369
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:16,559
book

1370
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:20,400
written

1371
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,200
and how the ufo phenomenon has not only

1372
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:25,520
delved into people's lives but

1373
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:28,480
kind of uh in a way actuated certain

1374
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:29,280
behaviors

1375
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,319
activities and paths in their lives that

1376
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,400
would otherwise not be the case and

1377
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:36,720
i just think it's a real heck of a work

1378
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:37,760
a very

1379
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:40,720
very interesting work not your typical

1380
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,440
book

1381
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:43,119
and something that everybody should have

1382
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:44,720
on the shelf

1383
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:49,440
oh absolutely absolutely

1384
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:52,720
yes it's a it's a different roswell book

1385
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,359
you know it's not like oh here's the

1386
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:57,119
here's what happened today and here's

1387
00:59:02,390 --> 00:58:57,760
where they

1388
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,400
know it's about famous people

1389
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,880
some somewhere along the dusty trail of

1390
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:05,839
life

1391
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,200
they cross past with roswell

1392
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,440
and there's so many of them it's it's

1393
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,720
just fascinating

1394
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:14,880
and and the synchronicities like we

1395
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,760
mentioned before

1396
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:17,920
when when people start to go into the

1397
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:19,359
fray of this

1398
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:22,480
ufo or i guess now they call it uap

1399
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:26,000
i mean you really kind of have to uh

1400
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:29,440
be wide-eyed because there's a lot to be

1401
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,839
said

1402
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,920
in just the lives of the individuals who

1403
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:33,119
become touched

1404
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,040
as the book is really i love the title

1405
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:39,440
touched by roswell if everybody has a

1406
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:41,040
chance definitely check that out on

1407
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:41,839
amazon

1408
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:44,000
or i believe he said barnes and noble

1409
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,079
and i can't thank you enough for coming

1410
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,200
on tom i hope to talk to you again

1411
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:52,079
it's been my pleasure ryan uh thank you

1412
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:53,839
for having me

1413
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,040
epic epic guest what a great episode

1414
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:59,599
and i appreciate everybody listening in

1415
01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:01,040
if you haven't gone hero paranormal

1416
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,760
check it out

1417
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,920
uh also check out hero paranormal on

1418
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,000
patreon and i guess we're on social

1419
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,680
media at facebook so

1420
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:10,400
that is what it is and until next time

1421
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,880
guys

1422
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,640
you know what to do keep your eyes to

1423
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:14,240
the skies feet on the ground

1424
01:00:33,140 --> 01:00:40,870
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